New Thinking Allowed with Jeffrey Mishlove Jun 9, 2026 Dr. Murray Stein is a leading Jungian analyst and scholar whose work has shaped contemporary analytical psychology. He holds degrees from Yale University, Yale Divinity School, the C.G. Jung Institute in Zurich, and the University of Chicago Divinity School. A founding member and first president of the C.G. Jung Institute of Chicago, he has also served as president of the International Association for Analytical Psychology and currently serves as a training and supervising analyst at ISAP Zurich. He is the author of numerous books, including Jung’s Map of the Soul: An Introduction and its sequel Jung’s Map of the Soul: Deeper Explorations. In this conversation, Murray explores the shadow, complexes, projection, and the levels of consciousness through which we come to know ourselves and one another. Drawing on Jung’s writings, scripture, and decades of clinical experience, Murray shares how shame, resentment, and projection shape both individual lives and collective movements — from Cain and Abel to the rise of authoritarian leaders. We consider the difference between discernment and judgment, the body’s wisdom, and the conditions of safety that make inner work possible. At the heart of our dialogue is the problem of evil and its intimate relationship to shame, and what it means to remain aware of the shadow in ourselves and in our cultures. 00:00:00 Introduction 00:04:57 What is the shadow? 00:11:39 Working with the shadow 00:17:05 States and stages of consciousness 00:28:41 Shame, humiliation and the roots of evil 00:42:56 Projection and its psychological implications 00:48:50 Discernment vs. judgment: Understanding the difference 00:52:43 Listening to the body’s signals 00:57:40 The individual shadow meets the collective 01:06:30 Safety as the ground of inner life 01:08:36 Jungian psychology: Bridging psychology and spirituality 01:12:20 The shadow of Euro-American culture 01:17:45 The New Jerusalem and the vision of a restored paradise 01:21:22 The numinous, unus mundus, and the interpsychic field 01:23:48 Final thoughts Producer: Elena McNally Editor: John Hartmann (Recorded on May 1, 2026)