\New Thinking Allowed with Jeffrey Mishlove Oct 11, 2025 Psychology and Psychotherapy Paul J. Leslie, EdD, is a psychotherapist in private practice in Aiken, South Carolina. He is professor of psychology at Aiken College. He is author of The Art of Creating a Magical Session: Key Elements for Transformative Psychotherapy, Low Country Shamanism: An Exploration of the Magical and Healing Practices of the Coastal Carolinas and Georgia, Potential Not Pathology: Helping Your Clients Transform Using Ericksonian Psychotherapy, and Shadows in the Session: The Presence of the Anomalous in Psychotherapy. In this interview, rebooted from 2019, he describes the difficulty felt by many psychotherapists and their clients in engaging in conversations regarding paranormal experiences. Much of this is due to the fact that such experiences are also considered a symptom of psychosis and may require medication. The problem is pronounced when therapists have their own paranormal experiences within a therapy session. He shares one such extraordinary experience of his own; and reports on accounts presented by other therapists. New Thinking Allowed host, Jeffrey Mishlove, PhD, is author of The Roots of Consciousness, Psi Development Systems, and The PK Man. Between 1986 and 2002 he hosted and co-produced the original Thinking Allowed public television series. He is the recipient of the only doctoral diploma in “parapsychology” ever awarded by an accredited university (University of California, Berkeley, 1980). He is also the Grand Prize winner of the 2021 Bigelow Institute essay competition regarding the best evidence for survival of human consciousness after permanent bodily death. He currently serves as Co-Director of Parapsychology Education at the California Institute for Human Science. (Recorded on December 17, 2019)