New Thinking • Dec 3, 2024 Jorge Ferrer, PhD, is former chair of the department of east-west psychology at the California Institute of Integral Studies. He is currently a core faculty member there. He is author of Revisioning Transpersonal Theory: A Participatory Vision of Human Spirituality, and Participation and the Mystery: Transpersonal Essays in Psychology, Education, and Religion. He is the coeditor of an anthology titled, The Participatory Turn: Spirituality, Mysticism, and Religious Studies. He is known as a leading proponent of the “second wave” of transpersonal theorists. In this wide-ranging conversation, rebooted from 2018, Jorge and Jeff share their memories and reflections about a wide range of mystical paths. The discussion focuses on the relative merits of following set instructions from a guru to seek mystical insights. Another perspective comes from the literature concerning spontaneous awakening of consciousness. Jorge explains why he believes that the mystics of many different traditions often feel closer to each other than they are with the more conservative, orthodox members of their own faith community. New Thinking Allowed host, Jeffrey Mishlove, PhD, is author of The Roots of Consciousness, Psi Development Systems, and The PK Man. Between 1986 and 2002 he hosted and co-produced the original Thinking Allowed public television series. He is the recipient of the only doctoral diploma in “parapsychology” ever awarded by an accredited university (University of California, Berkeley, 1980). He is also the Grand Prize winner of the 2021 Bigelow Institute essay competition regarding the best evidence for survival of human consciousness after permanent bodily death. He is Co-Director of Parapsychology Education at the California Institute for Human Science. (Recorded on September 20, 2018)